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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-2/#comment-15465</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#039;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#039;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#039;s work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#39;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#39;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#39;s work</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-2/#comment-9802</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#039;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#039;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#039;s work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#8217;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#8217;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#8217;s work</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-2/#comment-12146</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#039;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#039;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#039;s work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that we should continue to celebrate the holiday. It really doesn&#39;t matter if you want to call it July 4th or St. Elizabeth&#39;s Day. The important thing is that we are thankful during our celebrations. There are a number of celebrations in the bible and they all revolve around being thankful for our blessings and acknowledging God as the One who provides those blessings. I think it is important to continue those types of celebrations to show our gratitude to God. Even if those blessing have come to us by way of an imperialistic nation. But the blessings that we are given come with responsibilities. We need to stop over-consuming and we need to use our blessings to help others who may not be as fortunate as ourselves. We need to simplify our lives so that we have the time and resources available to do God&#39;s work</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Kirby</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-2/#comment-9798</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to be arrogant. and hard to be humble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure our grandchildren and great- grandchildren will criticize us for our blind sidedness, particularly for the way we treat our planet.  Every time I want to pat myself on the back, God shows me more ways to improve.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s important to celebrate St. Elizabeth&#039;s day, Independence day, freedom, peace, good food, waking up in the morning.  Celebrating is a form of gratitude.  It&#039;s easier to appreciate the good things when we come face to face with their cost in sweat, blood, and tears.  When we share in the pain, then we can more fully experience the joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to be arrogant. and hard to be humble.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure our grandchildren and great- grandchildren will criticize us for our blind sidedness, particularly for the way we treat our planet.  Every time I want to pat myself on the back, God shows me more ways to improve.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to celebrate St. Elizabeth&#8217;s day, Independence day, freedom, peace, good food, waking up in the morning.  Celebrating is a form of gratitude.  It&#8217;s easier to appreciate the good things when we come face to face with their cost in sweat, blood, and tears.  When we share in the pain, then we can more fully experience the joy.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Kirby</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-2/#comment-9801</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense.  I understand.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You might like Bush if you met him in person rather than as president.  I can think of a lot worse people to have as president.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really wish our politics, any politics, were run by the golden rule.  It&#039;s a principle that transcends any particular religion or belief system.  Politics seems to be so much about various special interests -so many people worried about getting what&#039;s theirs, that it seems it has forgotten about &quot;us&quot;, about the fact that we all live on this planet together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense.  I understand.</p>
<p>You might like Bush if you met him in person rather than as president.  I can think of a lot worse people to have as president.</p>
<p>I really wish our politics, any politics, were run by the golden rule.  It&#8217;s a principle that transcends any particular religion or belief system.  Politics seems to be so much about various special interests -so many people worried about getting what&#8217;s theirs, that it seems it has forgotten about &#8220;us&#8221;, about the fact that we all live on this planet together.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Kirby</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-1/#comment-12139</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to be arrogant. and hard to be humble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure our grandchildren and great- grandchildren will criticize us for our blind sidedness, particularly for the way we treat our planet.  Every time I want to pat myself on the back, God shows me more ways to improve.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s important to celebrate St. Elizabeth&#039;s day, Independence day, freedom, peace, good food, waking up in the morning.  Celebrating is a form of gratitude.  It&#039;s easier to appreciate the good things when we come face to face with their cost in sweat, blood, and tears.  When we share in the pain, then we can more fully experience the joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s easy to be arrogant. and hard to be humble.</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure our grandchildren and great- grandchildren will criticize us for our blind sidedness, particularly for the way we treat our planet.  Every time I want to pat myself on the back, God shows me more ways to improve.</p>
<p>It&#39;s important to celebrate St. Elizabeth&#39;s day, Independence day, freedom, peace, good food, waking up in the morning.  Celebrating is a form of gratitude.  It&#39;s easier to appreciate the good things when we come face to face with their cost in sweat, blood, and tears.  When we share in the pain, then we can more fully experience the joy.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Kirby</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-1/#comment-12145</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Kirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense.  I understand.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You might like Bush if you met him in person rather than as president.  I can think of a lot worse people to have as president.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really wish our politics, any politics, were run by the golden rule.  It&#039;s a principle that transcends any particular religion or belief system.  Politics seems to be so much about various special interests -so many people worried about getting what&#039;s theirs, that it seems it has forgotten about &quot;us&quot;, about the fact that we all live on this planet together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense.  I understand.</p>
<p>You might like Bush if you met him in person rather than as president.  I can think of a lot worse people to have as president.</p>
<p>I really wish our politics, any politics, were run by the golden rule.  It&#39;s a principle that transcends any particular religion or belief system.  Politics seems to be so much about various special interests -so many people worried about getting what&#39;s theirs, that it seems it has forgotten about &#8220;us&#8221;, about the fact that we all live on this planet together.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus Manifesto is on vacation for a few days&#8230; : Jesus Manifesto</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-1/#comment-9777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus Manifesto is on vacation for a few days&#8230; : Jesus Manifesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We&#8217;re on vacation this week. This is a busy week for some of the regular contributors to JM, and since we&#8217;re still training in a new editor, we thought it best to take the week off (in a continued celebration of St. Elizabeth&#8217;s Day). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;re on vacation this week. This is a busy week for some of the regular contributors to JM, and since we&#8217;re still training in a new editor, we thought it best to take the week off (in a continued celebration of St. Elizabeth&#8217;s Day). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mountainguy</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-1/#comment-9800</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are things that need to be explained:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. When I criticize patriotism (or, more exactly, jingoism) I do it for patriotism-jingoism everywhere, not just Northamerican one (peraps this is one of the most dangerous).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Despite the &quot;hard words&quot; I just wrote, all this was supposed to be a criticism of a concept (patriotism-jingoism) rather than a critic over a particular person (Well... it is almost imposible to not hate G.W. Bush).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. I acnowledeged the good things that might be brought up by a &quot;light patriotism&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. I don&#039;t condone &quot;kicking anglosaxon butts&quot;. But, if someone there in USA thinks of patriotism as imperialism, then it shouldn&#039;t criticize Anti-USA sentiment as long as it could be considered a way of patriotism for people in the &quot;third world&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5. Well said hewhocutsdown: love is borderless. Maria: I apologize if my words were offensive for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are things that need to be explained:</p>
<p>1. When I criticize patriotism (or, more exactly, jingoism) I do it for patriotism-jingoism everywhere, not just Northamerican one (peraps this is one of the most dangerous).</p>
<p>2. Despite the &#8220;hard words&#8221; I just wrote, all this was supposed to be a criticism of a concept (patriotism-jingoism) rather than a critic over a particular person (Well&#8230; it is almost imposible to not hate G.W. Bush).</p>
<p>3. I acnowledeged the good things that might be brought up by a &#8220;light patriotism&#8221;.</p>
<p>4. I don&#8217;t condone &#8220;kicking anglosaxon butts&#8221;. But, if someone there in USA thinks of patriotism as imperialism, then it shouldn&#8217;t criticize Anti-USA sentiment as long as it could be considered a way of patriotism for people in the &#8220;third world&#8221;.</p>
<p>5. Well said hewhocutsdown: love is borderless. Maria: I apologize if my words were offensive for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.jesusmanifesto.com/2008/07/happy-st-elizabeths-day/comment-page-1/#comment-9797</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Maria. I wasn&#039;t trying to paint you with the Pharisee brush, by the way, but to point out that the danger of arrogance runs both directions -- probably all directions at once.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t really want to cast aspersions on the gratefulness of others, or deny the appropriateness of greeting the good things that come our way with some kind of thankfulness. Nor is my consternation directed at persons -- I&#039;ll poke fun at the American founders, in a kind of counter-hagiography, but it is simply part of the human tragedy that gross injustices were and are perpetuated by agents who, for the most part, are well-meaning, earnest folks -- most of them God-fearing in some fashion and many of them earnest believers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But they were -- and we still are -- acting out a destructive and even demonic script, one that continues to have grim consequences. I&#039;m really more of a brats-and-beer than a sackcloth-and-ashes kind of guy, but that script bothers me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Maria. I wasn&#8217;t trying to paint you with the Pharisee brush, by the way, but to point out that the danger of arrogance runs both directions &#8212; probably all directions at once.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really want to cast aspersions on the gratefulness of others, or deny the appropriateness of greeting the good things that come our way with some kind of thankfulness. Nor is my consternation directed at persons &#8212; I&#8217;ll poke fun at the American founders, in a kind of counter-hagiography, but it is simply part of the human tragedy that gross injustices were and are perpetuated by agents who, for the most part, are well-meaning, earnest folks &#8212; most of them God-fearing in some fashion and many of them earnest believers.</p>
<p>But they were &#8212; and we still are &#8212; acting out a destructive and even demonic script, one that continues to have grim consequences. I&#8217;m really more of a brats-and-beer than a sackcloth-and-ashes kind of guy, but that script bothers me.</p>
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