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Expelled: An Opportunity Lost

Submitted by Jordan Peacock on April 21, 2008 – 7:25 amView Comments
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evolutionThe blogosphere has erupted following the first viewings of the new Ben Stein documentary “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed“. Depending on who you talk to, it is either about:

a) censorship and suppression of scientists who voice support for Intelligent Design (ID)

or

b) undermining Darwinian evolutionary thought in an attempt to favour ID.

The first topic sounds worthwhile, until some basic research is done into the cases of claimed censorship or suppression. Expelled Exposed goes into depth on each of the cases to show the fallaciousness of the arguments (to pick a favorite: you can’t be fired by someone you never worked for).

In addition, the recent trial in Dover was debating whether or not ID is within the bounds of science or whether it falls into the territory of philosophy or theology. When even ID supporters admit (as was done in the Dover trial) that expanding the bounds of science to incorporate ID means that other disciplines (such as horoscopes & astrology and other pseudosciences) would then fit the definition of ’science’ as well, it draws an untenable situation. Few parents who are hell-bent on having their children learn creationism ID would want them learning alchemy, kabbalist magic or astrology, but those would all fit under the purview of the new ’science’. With that understanding, it is no surprise then that many scientists, including some who personally believe in a creator God, see the introduction of ID as a threat to their discipline.

Expelled turns the issue, which could be covered gracefully, into a religious war of sorts. Scientific American asked the assistant producer of Expelled, Mark Mathis, why every scientist advocating evolution was an atheist: there are plenty of examples of Christians or other believers who work within and advocate evolutionary biology – why were none in the movie? The response was that this would have confused viewers. Confused meaning the straw man that only atheists believe in evolution would fall apart, exposing a major flaw in the thoughts proposed in the film. To hear a different perspective, here is a lecture from evolutionary biologist and Roman Catholic Ken Miller discussing ID, evolution and the Dover trial.

Finally, Mark C. Chu-Carroll from the Good Math, Bad Math blog writes a devastating critique of the association the film makes between Darwinism and horrors such as the holocaust:

Suppose that it was true that Darwin’s writings about evolution were the primary thing that motivated the Nazi’s genocide against the Jews, the Romany, and all the other “undesirables” that they killed. Forget, for a moment, that the linkage is a crock. Pretend that it’s the truth.

What difference does it make?

Does the truth become less true because some idiot used it to justify something awful?

Science isn’t morality. Science describes what is. Morality defines our understanding of right and wrong. Science doesn’t tell us what’s morally right and wrong. It tells us what is. It can allows us to reason from what we know, to determine the effect of an action, which can allow us to decide whether that action is morally right or wrong. But the science doesn’t tell us what’s moral.

What Stein and friends are doing is trying to say that it’s appropriate to judge science based on what kinds of moral judgements a lunatic can derive from it – and further, they’re basically trying to argue for suppressing the truth when they don’t like the results of trying to infer morality from that truth.

He goes on to describe that you can draw some fairly bizarre ethics from the laws of thermodynamics, but that doesn’t invalidate physics. There may be an argument against evolution, but this isn’t one of them.

In my humble opinion, having followed the making and the build up to this film for some months now, I am disappointed; not so much that it appears to be a crock on par with a Michael Moore pseudo-documentary, but rather because it could have been so much better. A balanced, open discussion over the naturalistic assumptions that the field of science works with and whether there are merits to broadening the discussion of the discipline to exploring other phenomena is a worthwhile discussion. Rather than pulling soundbytes from interviews that people were conned into allowing, a real discussion from bright people on all sides of the issue, arguing pros, cons, and the evidence involved would be a fantastic work that would stimulate discussion and open ears on all sides to hearing that ‘yes, they may disagree with me but they’re not all crazy’.

In the end, I simply do not see anything of merit with the way the film was made; from lying straight out to get interviewees off guard, to stacking ’student’ audiences with extras, to using classic propaganda poses, music and cuts in order to demonize one position and extol another: none of it comes off as loving, Christlike or worthy of attention.

May we learn from this mistake, and rather than playing into the world’s win/lose dichotomy, let us draw people by our willingness to listen to those who disagree with us, even as we hold firm to those things that form our foundations.

Peace to you and yours.

PS: Just for fun, here is a parody of the Expelled trailer, entitled Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed.

Author Bio:: Jordan Peacock lives and works in Minnesota with his beautiful wife and daughter. When not playing with technology or music, he’s writing comic books and wrapping up a university education.

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  • Matt
    You ask whether or not ID is in the bounds of science, but could you first define what you mean by "science" for me? I'm a little confused. Also, when referring to evolution are you guys talking about microevolution, macroevolution, or both?
  • Second question first: macroevolution. I have never heard anyone on any side of the debate challenge microevolution; that's pretty well accepted as fact.

    What is science? For our purposes the Wikipedia definition is solid:

    "Scientific method refers to the body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]

    Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to predict dependably any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    This is in contrast to pseudoscience, which is:

    "Pseudoscience is defined as a body of knowledge, methodology, belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific or made to appear scientific, but does not adhere to the scientific method,[2][3][4] lacks supporting evidence or plausibility,[5] or otherwise lacks scientific status.[6]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

    So Feng Shui, ghost busters, some alternative medicine practices, creationism, ESP, etc would all fit the bill. They may/may not be true, but whether they are true or not is beside the point; they cannot (or are not) tested with the scientific method, and therefore comparisons become difficult or impossible.

    It's one thing to say "this is likely to be true; here is my test and the results seem to indicate that I am right. Test it yourself and let's compare results and challenge one another's conclusions if necessary by examining assumptions, methodology, etc" versus "here is a test that seems to indicate that there is untestable phenomena outside of the scope of our discipline. I believe in it as God, and will use that belief as a foundation for following work."

    As mentioned above; I lean toward the ID thought process personally, but with regards to incorporating it into science (the discipline) you have to admit that it is not a clean fit with the declared methodology of the discipline. So you either a) expand the definition of the discipline to incorporate it, which as admitted by ID supporters themselves, opens the scientific discipline up to other untestable claims or b) keep it restricted, even if that means that some measure of untestable or immaterial truth will be overlooked or missed.

    For the science discipline as a whole, the 'neat' answer is the latter; I cannot think of a way where ID can bring their parts to the table in a way that does not threaten everyone else.

    It's the same issue as those who fight to bring prayer back into the schools. They're gung ho about it when it's Christian prayer, but what about when your kid is being forced to pray toward Mecca? It's not so much the individual case (ID) that is the problem as it is the threat that opening up the discipline to everything else brings.
  • Matt
    Thanks for the info, that helps me see where you are coming from. I'll be honest, I'm not trying to defend ID as much as I am trying to question evolution. I'm having a problem seeing how macroevolution is science. Have we ever observed or created an experiment where a less complex life form evolved into a more complex one?
  • Matt
    Sorry for the double post, I wanted to be a little more specific in my previous question. Do any of you guys know of evidence of a beneficial genetic mutation that could be said to have added information to the organism's DNA?
  • I can do a little digging to get you some examples, but first look at the Ken Miller lecture I linked to above in the article. It has a couple very interesting elements in it that surprised me. Once you've seen that, let me know if you want to dig into anything deeper.

    STILL trying to see Expelled. This week has not been my week, and the next 3 days are booked so....inshallah, we shall see...
  • Good point. It'd be quite entertaining for kids to be taught various creation myths as science. I like the one about creation being the work of a giant dung-beetle myself.
  • I just saw the movie, partly because of this discussion and partly because my wife needed to see it for a class. I agree that it was an opportunity lost. A fair, open, balanced film about this issue of ID in the Academy could have been really good. instead, they made a very biased, almost whiny sounding film about those poor academics who lost their jobs.

    My advice: see the film, but beforehand convince yourself that Ben Stein is a comedian making a parody of a documentary. Then his references to his previous work (like "Ben Stein's money" and "Bueller" ) wont seem so forced and out of place.

    the highlight: Alister McGrath says some really smart things about world-views.
  • I'm jealous. I'm still trying (and failing) to see the documentary in it's entirety. I will post an update when I do.
  • Luke
    I haven't seen it, but It looks like this movie exposes in some ways to those who have eyes to see what is wrong at the core with the "reclaim america" sort of Christianity. I believe in creation, not evolution, but I don't expect the public schools to teach creation (even a watered down sort) because they're not Christian. Those who do think that government schools should teach creation have in my opinion fallen prey to Constantinianism. And having seen the damage it has done, I am far more afraid of blurry Constantinianism than I am of an unabashed secular or even anti-Christian state. Instead of trying to Christianize the government schools and universities we should abandon them. It makes no more sense to send one's Christian children to a government school than it does to send your Christian children to a Muslim school. In either case, you could rest assured that they will be daily indoctrinated in a false religion and you that you will find some day that you have tied a giant millstone about your neck.
  • Amen.
  • I am drawn to the ID philosophy by the way it draws people's attention to the beauty of creation as evidence of a designer. But I don't think their arguments are very scientific. The only "science" I ever heard of a creationist/ID proponet doing is coming up with reasons why evolution can't work. I know it's important to examine the weak points of every theory, but usually the idea is to come up with a counter theory. There must be some good reason why God made everything so similar. There must be some reason God made us so curious and wanting to ask why from about the moment we can talk.

    I'm curious as to why ID will concede micro evolution, but not macro evolution? If we really believe in a God who can make us out of nothing (or the dirt), why couldn't God have used evolution? I don't see an evolutionary creation as deviating particularly with what we have in the Bible. Besides which, so many times after I've heard someone tell me God couldn't possibly created me using evolution, they go on to explain how the first couple of chapters of Genesis are poetic and not supposed to be taken literally. It really leaves me confused. It seems like they want to argue against evolution because it's not literally in the Bible, but then they make the Biblical creation not literal.

    I'm not sure evolution really supports an atheistic view as much as atheists and ID claim. It seems to me that the whole Christian thing of being transformed and becoming the body of Christ is very evolutionary in its language. It seems to me that the science of evolution supports a very Christian theology.

    I am most bothered by the way atheists and ID proponents juxtopose science and religion. Christians who place their particular theological philosophy above/against science are placing stumbling blocks to those of weaker faith. They are asking people to disbelieve what they can see in order to believe what they can't see.
  • toddh
    First, I think a person should view a movie before critiquing it. The same goes for books. That being said, I think the author of the post raises some good issues with the movie. I do think quoting this favorably goes too far though:

    "Science isn’t morality. Science describes what is. Morality defines our understanding of right and wrong. Science doesn’t tell us what’s morally right and wrong. It tells us what is. It can allows us to reason from what we know, to determine the effect of an action, which can allow us to decide whether that action is morally right or wrong. But the science doesn’t tell us what’s moral."

    I think that gives science just a little too much credit. Nobody gets to claim an objective, privileged viewpoint that is unencumbered by subjectivity. Not the scientist, theologian, or even the every day guy on the street. Every discourse, including "science," comes loaded with assumptions and fraught with contested viewpoints, that always have "moral" dimensions. Science can no longer be thought of as the set of disciplines that tell us "what is."
  • I fully understand your point, and agree wholeheartedly. The point of quoting Mark was not so much to endow science with a God-like separateness, but rather to illustrate that moral assumptions do not necessarily follow from scientific hypothesis.

    Take Darwin for example, who said:

    With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

    The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.

    You bring up a fantastic point though, toddh; science is far from the 'unattached observer' that many assume it to be; not only by it's methodologies but by its questions, it's choice of what to study, how to study it, and how to interpret the results.
  • In my first read through, I'll admit that I couldn't get past the idea that science "tells us what is." Michael Polanyi's work on the role of human assumptions and fallible commitments in an equally fallible "scientific method" has doomed me to putting as much cynicism into my understanding of science as anything else.

    But I knew that you were not endorsing some objective scientific method. You've proven too smart for that in the past. :) Looking forward to seeing the movie. I wonder if Netflix will make it available.
  • I'm bummed. The contact who had a 'review copy' turned out to have a pirated, 2-hour loop of the trailer.

    Meh.
  • So, have you gotten to see it yet? I haven't but hopefully I will this weekend.

    By the way, the guys I know who are doing ID research are doing it with the hopes that it will open up a whole new way of studying (and harnessing) the natural world. They certainly don't plan on getting to the point where they put down their test tubes and happily conclude "God just did it that way! I guess I can finally get out of this lab and apply for that job at Burger King!"

    I'd be curious which ID researchers gave you the impression that they are planning to get to the point where they can play the "God just did it that way' card.
  • mountainguy
    This has been one of the main topics in my life since I was 10 (and now i'm a 25 year old biologist-evolutionist-believer). But at first I'd just like you to note this: This ID vs evolutionism (or creationism vs evolutionism for that matter) in the last 10 yeras has been discused in the anglosaxon world, and mainly there in USA, and it doesn't seem to be very important in the continental europe. Off course, in the most of continental europe christianity is not very important for people. I want to ask this: Do you think that this debate is influenced by a particular anglosaxon view of world, phylosophy and science?

    Another importatnt issue to have in mind is that evolutionism is not just one view. Dawkins hasn't only struggled against religious beliefs; he (along woth some of his partners like Denett) has struggled against every evolutionist system that doesn't fit into the "orthodox neo-darwinian" thinking. If any of you has read about Stephen Jay Gould, then you know what I'm talking about.

    Yes, this is a nice topic; and it's not a worthy one mainly because of hypocresy and propaganda (you know, every propaganda has at least a little of fallacy).
  • It's far from a binary decision, you're right, and much more gradient, and on all sides of the discussion.

    Continental USA is not the only place that you see this kind of discussion. Muslim nations are fairly zealous about demeaning evolution as well. But of Western nations, you are correct, the USA is fairly alone on this one.
  • Hi again,

    It sounds like you're saying that the USA is also "fairly zealous about demeaning evolution". But wouldn't you also agree with the quote above (Despite the broad sympathy from the masses for the Creationist cause the intensity of elite feeling on this topic means that a position held by half of Americans remains marginal in the commanding heights of the culture)?

    Isn't it the elite who are intense and zealous and not the creationist masses?

    All the best,
    MN guy
  • It's not so much an either/or as a both/and, but this is less a statement of science and more of philosophy. True, some (such as Dawkins) use their understanding of science to make blanket statements about philosophy that are poorly thought through and vitriolic. These people are on both sides of the discussion. What is unique about the creationist/anti-evolution perspective is that the burden of proof now lies on their shoulders to put forward alternative explanations for the evidence we see in experimental science. A prime example is our DNA; we have a chromosome (#2) that is a fusion of two chimpanzee chromosomes (2p and 2q); literally, the two are connected end-to-end. No other Great Ape has this, only humans. Now it is entirely possible that God created the human genetic structure in such a way just to mess with us, but personally I'm a little skeptical of that answer, and as joet mentioned, it shuts down discussion and further exploration with the application of a pat answer (even if it is true).

    Now this is an enigma: how can ID scientists perform research in areas that they believe will ultimately lead to a dead end (the 'God just did it that way' card)? That's a question I'm far more interested in, as I have no idea what the answer could be, and it will take some hard work and imagination on the parts of those scientists.
  • Thanks for the clarification, Markvans. Not having seen it either puts Jordan and I on a level playing field. Still, if the discussion is about an "opportunity lost", it would be nice to qualify that the lost opportunity refers to the impact the film is having on non-viewers like Jordan and me. Who knows what the impact is on people who paid ten bucks to see it? Perhaps it's good. And perhaps no film that takes a non-party line about this topic would make non-viewers happy, more open-minded, etc.

    All the best,
    Minnesota guy
  • I've not seen it either, but nothing I've read gives me any particular encouragement to. I like the way he seems to have wrong-footed Richard Dawkins by getting him to admit that maybe aliens were involved, but otherwise it sounds like the same old tedious argument.

    From where I'm sitting (with two biological science degrees), the ID in school debate is asking the wrong questions. Science in school produces bad scientists. Why? Because they're not taught to think, reason and weigh evidence.

    A while ago, an academic from a British University said that there were a large number of drop-outs from the early years of university with the highest High-School graduation grades (I hope that is the correct US translation). Mostly these kids had learnt how to pass exams rather than understanding their subjects, so when they got to university where the ability to simply regurgitate information was less important, they couldn't cut the mustard. I have since heard that many of the best doctoral candidates are those with average undergraduate degrees - because they have to work harder to wrestle with the subject. Dare to be average, how about that for a slogan.

    This is relevant, I think, because it helps nobody to replace one dogma taught badly (evolution) with another dogma taught badly (ID). Conversely, a great teacher will awaken the interest within a student, so that the questions they have (and a good measure of education is the quality of questioning it brings up) at High School may end up being the next great scientific discovery. Evolutionary science wins over Intelligent Design by this simple measure - people have thought and experimented with ideas to explain evolution. ID cannot do that because there will always be a point where you shrug and say 'well, God made it' as if that answers all the questions we might have. Even if we accept that God did make it, can we not play and think more about how he did that? Why do we have to continually close down the discussion and the thinking at the diktat of the small minded?

    Quite honestly, I'd rather have people who have finished High School and have learnt how to think than anyone filled with anyone else's second hand ideas.
  • Matt
    "there will always be a point where you shrug and say 'well, God made it'" - I don't know of any Christians who are serious about academic pursuits who are satisfied with this answer. I know that this is an argument against ID, but if you look at the history of science, all of the first scientists began trying to figure out the world because they knew that the world had been designed in a rational and orderly way. With this in mind they knew that they could figure out how things worked. (Think about Newton, Galileo and even Aristotle even though he wasn't a Christian) Therefore I disagree with your idea that evolutionary science wins over ID.
  • Jordan originally included a disclaimer at the front of the article explaining that he hadn't yet seen the film. As an editorial team, we decided that it would be better to leave off the disclaimer for several reasons...one of those reasons being that Jordan's assertions check out. Another reason being that this would foster helpful conversation. If anyone disagrees with that decision, please contact the editors via the contact page rather than discussing it here...I'd rather focus our conversation on the issues raised.
  • I was wondering about that :)

    Thanks for the explanation. For the record, the article is a little stilted towards favouring the evolution perspective not so much because I do but more because my background (and many people I've talked to) is so steeped in creationism/ID, and the documentary itself is so far one direction I felt the need to yank hard the other direction in order to restore some semblance of balance.

    Thanks for asking though, MN Guy.
  • No problem!

    Yeah, I could see how you were trying to balance out the biases in the documentary. Still, since JM is devoted to being revolutionary in our culture, it would seem that it's even more important to balance out the biases in our society.

    In that regard, someone once said that the U.S. is a country of [East] Indians ruled by Swedes, meaning that the majority of Americans are religious, but we generally defer to a minority who is not.

    I just read a blog that pointed this out in relationship to Expelled: http://ianramjohn.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/expe...

    in which the author writes:
    Despite the broad sympathy from the masses for the Creationist cause the intensity of elite feeling on this topic means that a position held by half of Americans remains marginal in the commanding heights of the culture.

    So it's about an intense elite vs. an apathetic majority. That's why I think the JM project is so important: the apathetic majority needs to be stirred up!
  • That's exactly it. I was that apathetic majority that believed creationism. I'm fine with Intelligent Design, and at it's finest I would say it is probably the closest depiction to reality that we have. But at the same time, I understand the scholarly pragmatics that drive the evolutionary train, and the theological structures that cement creationism.

    Which is why I see this as such an opportunity lost; let us discuss where the balance is, come to appreciate that the concerns for a pure methodology and a pure theology are comparable and distinct, and learn from one another.

    And as joet noted, if you want to challenge something, bring your best minds. We need less people spouting propaganda and more people developing rigorous means of studying to embody what it means to be 'ID'; regardless of whether it gets accepted into the Western scientific canon or not.

    On a further note, as one homeschooled through high school, it can be terribly tempting for parents, not wanting to explore the research or confuse their kids, to misdirect them into a binary us vs. them approach to this entire issue; something by and large my parents thankfully avoided, although others that I witnessed did not.
  • Thanks for the homeschooler's perspective. Having graduated from South High, I got steeped in lots of things, but ID wasn't one of them :)

    With regard to the "opportunity lost" I'd love to hear your thoughts about my comment below (here it is again:)
    ...if the discussion is about an "opportunity lost", it would be nice to qualify that the lost opportunity refers to the impact the film is having on non-viewers like Jordan and me. Who knows what the impact is on people who paid ten bucks to see it? Perhaps it's good. And perhaps no film that takes a non-party line about this topic would make non-viewers happy, more open-minded, etc.

    So, do you think that Expelled was filled with propaganda, or do you think that people who (unlike you and me) actually saw the film might say that Expelled was actually pretty even handed about how badly the pro-ID people were treated?

    All the best,
    MN guy
  • I will be posting an addendum to this article as soon as I get a chance to watch it. Looking at Rotten Tomatoes though, I have my doubts that watching it will change the issues above.

    As one of the reviewers I read noted, it creates an environment that entrenches prior opinion, rather than opening people up to new ideas. That's something I would expect from a political screed, not a scientific documentary.

    But I will watch it, and I will let you all know what, if anything, strikes me different.
  • I'll try to watch it, too, and let you know what I think.

    I'm not surprised that it entrenches prior opinion. The only people in the "apathetic majority that believed creationism" who spent 10 bucks to see it are the people who are not really that apathetic, and the people on the other side who saw it were going to see it so they could pan in on their blogs. I would love it if people who are truly part of the "apathetic majority that believed creationism" would see this movie and get stirred up to do something about the discrimination. That's the kind of thing that the JM project seems to want to see happening.
  • Plans A & B have failed, so no, I haven't seen it yet. :(

    And I'm definitely open to seeing what contributions ID scientists bring to the fore; I'm just unsure how they'll do it; but I'm definitely open to the possibility.

    This website has some poor articles mixed with some great ones, all exploring Intelligent Design from a much more positive perspective:

    http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/
  • It's not clear from what you wrote, did you see Expelled before writing this or not?

    Thanks for the clarification,
    A fellow Minnesotan
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