Well, though the truth of our founding fathers faith was far more complicated, there is no doubt that they were all strongly impacted by Christianity and were relatively speaking people of integrity.

The sin here is more one of omission. There's no mention of how the flawed form of Christianity that became prevalent in the US was behind its decline and the festering of the serious problems that face us today. It is trite to simply call people to the Bible, without also dealing with the many issues of discipleship that we need to deal with our current problems domestic and int'l with integrity.

I just watched Miracle with Kurt Russell and thought about the patriotic themes and religious syncretism in that movie. The best thing about that movie is that the US hockey team won by virtue of its willingness to learn from its opponents and subvert our individualism to act as a team, putting the name on the front before the name on the back. These are definitely Christian values, but they're not necessarily typical of the USA today and its not like we own the property rights on them.

I am very thankful for the extent to which Christianity has had an impact on the United States. I wish that was more the case and that more countries were more impacted by Christainity. I remember feeling really sad when one of my students in Mexico told me that his hopes for the future lay with the US. He didn't have much hope for his own country. If all that has been noble in our country has ultimately stemmed from God then there shd be nothing preventing others from also demonstrating these characteristics. Its just up to us to let our lights shine and help to turn the tide, internationally, in part by prophetically and lovingly challenging the deeply flawed forms of Christianity that have been prevalent and are going to be transformed or lose ground.

dlw

I graduated high school in the early 90's, and I remember the "Put God in schools" debate well. That was also the time you has to wear Christian T-shirts and only listen to christian music. It was very much a them -vs- us mentality. Nothing about love, healing, or transformation.

When I first saw Carmen on the clip I kind of chuckled because I remember going to see him in concert, then I thought I should apologize to everyone I went to high school with and talk to them more about Jesus than their sin.

take that you pacifict

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.