Quote от Hybels
Написано Марк Фургоном Steenwyk: 2-ое апреля 2005
Я как раз прочитал это внутри интервью на христианстве сегодня. Билл Hybels говорит:
Willow Creek начало в эре когда, как книга
я замечены, люди церков-роста говорили, «не рассейте любые из
ваши энергии воюя вопросы гонки. Фокус все на evangelism. «Оно
был однотиповый принцип блока роста церков. И я вспоминаю как
молодое pastor думая, То поистине. Я не знал ли I
хотели к шансу отчуждая людей были искателями, вечность которых была
на линии, и могло только прийти к церков одно время. Я хотел к
take away так много препоны как по возможности, за исключением креста, помочь
фокус людей на gospel.Настолько теперь, 30 лет более поздно, по мере того как я прочитал эту книгу [соединенную Верой], I
узнайте что поистине biblically действуя община должна включить
был multiethnic. Мое сердце бьет настолько быстро для того зрения сегодня. Iий
marvel на как na? ve и прагматическое я был 30 лет тому назад.
Моей первой реакцией будет «бог хваления!» Хорошо увидеть один из самых больших пропонентов homongenous брака принципа блока принцип. Моя вторая реакция одним из оцепенения. Я получаю grumpy с числом людей, котор я знаю строение что-то легкая дорога… принимая курс к быстро успеху, и после этого более последнюю попытку для того чтобы стать честно. Оно как dieter использует пилюльки и slimfast для того чтобы потерять вес и после этого пытается съесть здорово поже то. Оно устанавливает horrible модель для остальноев церков, когда людям нужно как начать multiethnic церковь в здоровой дороге. The thing is, WIllow Creek, by exercise of might and is really moving towards multiethnicity…and they’ll probably write books about it and tell everyone else how to do it (and I guarantee they will). The problem is, the example and experiences they’ll be offering will be mostly worthless.
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Ooh, great quote!
Guarantee, they’ll be running conferences on multi-ethinic churches within 2 years.
Well… yes, we will get everything Willow Creek foisted on us, maybe including a new “how to be multi-ethnic” workbook, but good for Hybels for having the guts to admit a mistake. There are probably plenty of others not yet willing to say something like that.
Interesting quote and great analysis. I always get frustrated with people who have made it one way and then say from their mighty position: it should all have been done different. If they would have done different, maybe they won’t be talking to me. So, thanks for the post.
Mark,
I think you’re being a little harsh in saying “The problem is, the example and experiences they’ll be offering will be mostly worthless.” Even if you were using hyperbole. For better or worse, they ’set the standard’ that massive numbers of people in Evangelicalism look up to. I’m nervous about giving that much “power” to one small group, but at least Hybels and others are willing to publically repent of erroneous thought.
Missio Dei didn’t get everything perfect in the beginning. We’re still learning and growing so we should allow others to do so as well.
I guess I wasn’t clear enough. My point is that their experiences will be worthless because no one else can mirror their process. In other words, the way they arrive at at multiethnicity will be fundamentally unduplicateable. I am glad they are moving in the right direction. Where they come from doesn’t destroy the good they can do now. However, it is difficult to take them seriously as a guide in this area, since they made the change after amassing great resources and clout, and they made the change in such a way that only mega-churches can duplicate their process.
So, my statement of their example being worthless is in regards to their contribution to church systems implementation, not in regards to their example being one worthy of emulation.
Very cool to hear Hybels saying this. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t have the multi-ethnic thing figured out, and I agree that the way Willow Creek does it will be different than will work for us, but it’s nice to hear him say it.
“the example and experiences they’ll be offering will be mostly worthless” - wow, dude, that’s perhaps the most arrogant thing I have read today.
I wonder if one of the reasons people think that the emerging church is nothing more than a group of men pissed off about the failures of evangelicalism and the church growth movement is because sometimes that is all we are. One of the lessons I am constantly having to learn is that I have no idea where God is at work. That I am part of work of God in this age, but perhaps not the only part.
Will, please read my clarification. By the way, I don’t consider myself emergent. I am pretty dang evangelical.